is life our own imagination of what life is?
are we creating everything around us in our own minds?
can you prove to me that this is all real?
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Rosiebud
- 2009-07-02 @ 16:36:30
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Rosiebud
- 2009-07-02 @ 16:40:25
I found this, it's rather neat.... I will write to you the website I found it at in a min...
According to Buddhism, the whole universe is a single, dynamic web of energy which can exist in three forms. These three forms of energy that exist in the universe also exist in the human body.
Energy in the universe can exist are: 1. Free Energy, 2. Forces, 3. Matter.
Free energy is pure, undifferentiated energy. Therefore, this form cannot be perceived directly or indirectly. Free, undifferentiated energy exists in the human body as consciousness. In Buddhism, consciousness is described as Vinnana.
Forces are a type of differentiated energy produced by moving matter, which in turn causes movement of matter. The forces that exist in the universe are: 1. Electricity, 2. Magnetism, 3. Gravity.
These forces do not exist in the material form. (i.e. particles or waves). Their existence is in the form of an energy field which can be detected indirectly.
By these forces, the movements that occur in all matter in the universe are inter-connected.
Though these forces are studied separately, in reality they exist in union, giving rise to a unified field which can be called the thought force. This is the force that moves the whole universe. The moving matter produces thought forces which in turn cause similar movement in matter.
The thought force exists in association with the living human body as the subconscious force of the individual. By this force, the individual is connected to all human beings and events in the universe.
The subconscious force determines the future events of the individual. In Buddhism, the subconscious force is described as Bhavanga.
Matter
Matter is a manifestation of differentiated energy. This form of energy can be perceived directly.
In an individual, matter is represented by the physical body. The fundamental unit of matter that exists in the universe and in the human body has four inseparable but interchangeable qualities. They are Solidity, Liquidity, Motion and Heat.
Depending on the predominant element, the quality of matter may differ.
Eg: Solidity is predominant in the earth, mountains, bones, liver muscles, kidney etc.
Liquidity is predominant in water, saliva, gastric secretions etc.
Motion is predominant in the wind, breathing, blood circulation etc.
Heat is predominant in fire, the sun, bile etc.
The material body contains the following six sensory organs, by which the individual perceives the universe:
1. Eye _ Visual perception
2. Nose _ Olfactory perception
3. Ear _ Sound perception
4. Tongue _ Perception of taste
5. Skin _ Perception of touch
6. Mind _ Perception of thoughts.
Mind is simply an area in the brain (known as the Limbic system) by which the individual perceives thoughts that exist outside.
A musician trains his ears to a particular note. Similarly, the mind can be trained and developed by concentration.
Consciousness
Consciousness is awareness. It is pure undifferentiated energy. For the consciousness (awareness) to manifest, it has to come in contact with one of the six sensory stimuli.
Eg. eye consciousness is awareness of vision. Thought consciousness is awareness of thought.
The cycle of events during a particular consciousness is analysed in great detail in Buddhism.
The process of eye consciousness can be analysed the following way:
* When a visual object comes into contact with the eye, the image is conducted to the brain.
* This image in the brain causes differentiation of free energy (consciousness) to eye consciousness. When an eye consciousness is born, this is the SELF that will perceive the image.
* Then the eye consciousness receives the visual image.
* The self inside the eye consciousness scans through the memory (which is in the brain) and identifies the object.
* According to the identification, a feeling is experienced by the SELF in the eye consciousness. It may be pleasant, unpleasant or neutral.
* Depending on the feeling, a volition is experienced by the SELF in the eye consciousness. During this stage the SELF will gather more energy and also it will divert body energy to act. Then at this stage VOLITION IS ACTION.
* Then the SELF in the eye consciousness will register the event in the memory.
* When the registration is done, the eye consciousness which is the SELF leaves the body. Then it exists in association with the body as a thought force. These accumulated thought forces of the individual will form its subconscious force.
This is the last event of the cycle. The moment the eye consciousness leaves the body, the concept of SELF dies off because it cannot exist without a body.
During this cycle of events, the material body also undergoes changes; i.e. Respiration, movements of blood in the circulation, movement of food in the stomach etc.
Then at the end of the cycle there is a different, new body which will replenish its free energy (consciousness) from the environment and is ready for the next cycle.
This cycle of events can be called a unit of eye consciousness or a QUANTUM of eye consciousness. (QUANTUM = a packet). The cycle of events is the same with all six types of sensory modalities. This is the fundamental unit of LIFE. After one sensory quantum wanes, another sensory quantum comes up like the waves in the seashore. Life is a pulsatile interrupted flow of these cycles (sensory quantums).
The time duration of one quantum may be about 1/20th of a second (=50 milliseconds). Then per every one second there is an interrupted flow of about 20 quantums of life, with each and every quantum there arises a NEW SELF, with new perception, new volition and a new body lasting only for about 1/20th of a second and dies off.
Selflessness
In the analysis of a quantum of life, it is very clear that there is no permanent, unchangeable self inside the body who can perceive, think and act. Instead there are different SELVES coming up with each consciousness and passes away with the same consciousness which lives only for about 1/20th of a second (=50 milliseconds).
When the next cycle of events are in progress, the self image of the previous cycle of events (quantum) is still present in the memory. (Because a nerve impulse lasts for about 50 milliseconds). So the Memory interprets and projects as if there is a permanent, unchangeable self, who feels and acts.
When an individual starts living with the memory projection of the illusion of a permanent, unchangeable self, they become in it. They become actors of this so-called permanent self which is actually a memory projection. When an individual becomes an actor of the SELF, he himself cannot watch the drama as an outsider; i.e. he cannot perceive the impermanence of self.
But if an individual can come out from the illusion of a permanent self and watch the drama of life as an outsider, then he could see the flow of quantums (life packets) which lasts for about 1/20th of a second and dying off.
At that stage there is no person who observes the process; Only the observation exists.
Then there will be no person to perceive; Only the perception exists.
There is no person inside the body to act; Only the action exists.
There is no person inside the body to think; Only the THINKING exists.
Action and Effect
When a thought comes in contact with the mind, the consciousness will differentiate into thought consciousness. The SELF inside this thought consciousness will identify and fell the thought. Depending on the feeling, there will be volition, which will manifest immediately as the act (Volition is Action). Then the particular SELF inside this thought consciousness will register the event and leaves the body as a thought force and exists in the individual's subconsciousness. Since the individual is connected to the whole universe by its subconscious force, the registered event will manifest as REALITY in the individual's life.
Then, by repetitive thoughts, the individual CREATES its own social environment. This social environment inturn will CONDITION all its activities, emotions, thinking and activities.
Since the social environment will only CONDITION the individual but will NOT CREATE the individual, there is no place for absolute predeterminism of future events. Though the social conditioning is present, there exists a certain element of free will.
The Buddha mentioned that by being conscious at the present and by consciously altering the thought forces, the previously accumulated undesirable thought forces can be neutralised or abolished before being manifested. It is similar to the potential energy of a seed. Only when the conditions are favourable, it will grow up as a plant. If the conditions are not favourable, the seed dies off.
In the same way, evil deeds will manifest similarly in the individual's life giving rise to unpleasant feelings as the result of the action. Virtuous deeds will manifest similarly giving rise to pleasant feelings as a result of the action. Also, the previously accumulated undesirable thought forces can be altered or neutralised by doing virtuous deeds at present.
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the-living-dead
- 2009-07-08 @ 17:48:43
*applause* its nicely put here!
peace...
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- 2009-07-08 @ 18:56:50
Very Interesting..Hi.
That's well put, But..i have many questions to ask you.
Let's get to the source, lets leave the mechanics of consciousness for a moment.
Please answer me a few for now : What is the essence of consciousness?
What is Life & What is Death ?
When energy is neither created nor destroyed, how is it that the pulse has a short life span?..
And how do you know that consciousness cannot exist without a body?
Please...
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Rosiebud
- 2009-07-02 @ 16:41:39
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brokendownangel
Pro - 2009-07-02 @ 16:51:52
Anything and everything that we see, feel, hear, touch and taste is real to us, does it matter whether our belief in reality is based on actual consciousness or not?
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epistemological-savagery
- 2009-07-02 @ 17:46:14
true that!
its our individual minds that break down and process the information we get anyway, so each persons concept of 'reality' is different.
im not a subscriber to the matrix theory, but i do definitely believe we all perceive things differently. everything is in the mind, as thats the only place it can be.-
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brokendownangel
Pro
- 2009-07-02 @ 19:18:30
Wonder why we sometimes see things that are sad or feel emotion that is unbearably painful though? I mean, if you are gonna imagine a world in your own head why not make it utopian?
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Rosiebud
- 2009-07-02 @ 20:24:25
When I visited New York, it almost didn't feel real because I had seen it so much in films and tv. When I felt nervous or scared it felt like I was in one of the many horror films I had seen set there, and if I felt happy I could have been in a comedy set there. Perception of reality is the important thing, how you perceive the things in your world.
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arctictern
- http://arctictern.blog.co.uk
- 2009-07-03 @ 00:33:20
We are all free to make and shape our own existence from the day we are born, it's just easier to follow everyone else's examples. The barriers we encounter that other people put up in front of us are not real, we are just conditioned to think they exist.
The biggest problems are the manipulators: the advertisers, the news and TV companies, the rule makers and the warmongers. The choice of what sort of existence we are allowed, has been in millions of cases, decided by proxy. What we see and hear has a massive impact on how we shape the way we think or perceive things. So does taste for example; chocolate, coffee or salt.
I could ramble on about this for ever but the bit of my mind I think I have control over, says it needs to rest to regenerate. -
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SeasideMan
Pro - 2009-07-02 @ 18:01:53
On a purely philosophical epistemological level, you cannot be sure of anything. These words you are reading now might have been written by you. So no, no-one can prove to you what is real. But, in order to live, you need to make a few basic decisions about what is probably real. That's the hard bit.
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DominicGee
- 2009-07-03 @ 10:03:43
Read this article, it's short, funny and informative about what our brain does to us to help us cope with perception:
http://www.cracked.com/article_17103_5-ways-your-brain-messing-with-your-head.html -
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PurpleDragon
- 2009-07-03 @ 19:01:29
Try reading some Seth. That will answer your question and your brains will leak out of your ears
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- 2009-07-04 @ 06:58:49
I don't know either
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- 2009-07-07 @ 16:47:14
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the-living-dead
- 2009-07-08 @ 17:36:08
look at it this way: "is life our own imagination of what life is?
are we creating everything around us in our own minds?
can you prove to me that this is all real?"
we have our own perceptions, everyone thinks differently...there is no definite reality or anything fixed as a matter of fact as everyone has their own definition for everything around them. if so, then are we not creating everything around in in our minds, as you put it?
are you familiar with solipsism? you should read up on it...
cheers! and good luck with your quest. ive been looking for many years, and ive realized one thing: to me mother nature is the most omnipresent force, that is my reality and i believe that perhaps everything is one, and i am not removed from nature as it would appear to be. i just have to find myself a bit more to understand Her better. but i could and may as well be creating that with my mind and imagination... -
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- 2009-07-08 @ 18:34:37
How can anyone prove your imagination to be real,when its not?
Who said imagination of life is life or Reality?
What is real, is free from imagination and what is imagination but a thought process ?
The answer is in your question itself ?
No,life is not our imagination of life.
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- 2009-07-08 @ 18:42:13
To get to the point.
The Reality of life is not conceptual.
Concept is but a thought process. And thought is not the source. Hence what is conceptual, is not the reality, though it can refer or point to it. Concepts can't go beyond that. In fact,Life as it is, is free from all concepts or thought.
The short answer I think is.... no I can't prove that this is real.
I will have a think though, buddists have a nice line of thought on this kind of thing...
XXX