Is there anything after the grave.

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Is there anything after the grave.

by joebangles @ 2008-05-12 – 11:39:42

I know that many "believers" are content in their belief that there is, but,

Is there anything after the grave?
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- jackfrost ^Pro
- 2008-05-12 @ 11:44:31
NO!! you are born you live you die...thats it!!but at least belivers in life after death and reincarnation are never going to be disapointed!!!
- - joebangles
  - 2008-05-12 @ 17:13:26
  I agree with you wholeheartedly Jack, one thing that I do know, believers seem to have an easier journey to their death.
  - - jackfrost ^Pro
    - 2008-05-12 @ 17:17:43
    i am not so sure they do. I am comfortable with my up and coming death..it would be nice if it was not for a while however when it does i wont be somewhere freting about those i left behind...just nothing...zip ..nada..where as those who belive ..i would imagine alot of them will worry that the things they have done may exclude them...
    
    we are born we breed we die..simple...
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- The_Walrus ^Pro
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- 2008-05-12 @ 11:48:59
Obviously not. Consciousness is what the brain does, and when it gets no more oxygen, it stops doing it.

Standy by for false arguments from the god squad.
- - DominicGee
  - 2008-05-12 @ 12:25:15
  that does't answer the question.
  'false arguments' is the language of the 'god squad'. the most either side can say is what they believe, so there are no 'false' arguments, only subjectivity.
  - - The_Walrus ^Pro
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    - 2008-05-12 @ 13:15:34
    Whilst "Cogito, ergo sum" is all I can be sure of, in practice, I choose to believe in all the stuff I seem to me to be observing that is external to me. I can not see anything that has survived its own death, and if I thought I had, I would still be forced to regard it as external, and hence in doubt.
    
    "What else can you do?" Asked in "The Hitchhikers' Guide to the Universe", by the man who is unwillingly ruling it.
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  - - joebangles
    - 2008-05-12 @ 17:16:41
    But, what convinces you to believe that there is something else Dominic?
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- - joebangles
  - 2008-05-12 @ 17:14:48
  But, how about the soul Walrus?
  - - The_Walrus ^Pro
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    - 2008-05-12 @ 18:32:24
    I do not have some separate thing called a soul. I am flesh and blood and grey matter that has thoughts. When the blood stops moving in the wet grey stuff, the thoughts will stop happening. That's all.
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- glancerim
- 2008-05-12 @ 12:04:55
Keep silent about it! Even though i explain my side those non-believers will not agree about it.
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- prydwen
- 2008-05-12 @ 12:14:49
There has to be something, otherwise what is the purpose of life?
- - joebangles
  - 2008-05-12 @ 17:21:57
  The purpose of life is to live it to the full while you are here, to help others, to fit in with what "nature", for the want of a better word, has created for us, to help in continuing this world, to enjoy what has been created.
  - - The_Walrus ^Pro
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    - 2008-05-12 @ 18:42:18
    Life does not have a purpose.
    
    However, it makes sense to select ways of behaving that don't result in unpleasantness for others...
    
    For a better explanation than I can manage, or have time to write, see Dawkins.
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- la_spice
- 2008-05-12 @ 13:37:31
I'll get back to you and let you know - unless you get there first Trevor then please get in touch!!
- - joebangles
  - 2008-05-12 @ 17:27:02
  It's pretty certain young La-S that I will get the opportunity to find out long before you, unfortunately I don't expect anything and maybe I am losing out on something. The only thing that I am certain of is that the passing seems to be a little easier for those that do accept that they are moving on into another part.
  - - la_spice
    - 2008-05-12 @ 17:56:57
    Either way doesn't bother me! It's the here and now that's important to me.
    
    I don't want to leave just yet but if I go tomorrow at least my grass has been cut! that's not a euphenism I've been out mowing
    - - joebangles
      - 2008-05-13 @ 22:49:48
      You are so very right La_S, always be prepared and have a tidy patch, I have spent many a happy time down on my knees shaping designs and tidying up the edges.
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- soyunperdedor ^Pro
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- 2008-05-12 @ 14:07:10
I don't worry about such things. We're never going to find out while we're alive, so I say wait and see. I don't see the point in getting worked up about what happens when we die.
- - joebangles
  - 2008-05-12 @ 17:31:10
  You have hit the nail on the head there Soy etc, I don't particularly worry about it but would have hoped that someone may have commented on the reason why they believe that there is something else.
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- trintrin1x
- 2008-05-12 @ 15:39:44
I am absolutely terrified of dying it's a bit of a phobia for me, maybe it's because i don't know what happens. x
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- joebangles
- 2008-05-12 @ 17:35:22
Hi trin, you are normal, just the same as many of us were at your age, you don't have to worry about it and as you get older you will not.

I am a believer in the fact that when you die that is the end, there is no feeling left, the only pain is felt by those loved ones that you leave behind.
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- murphymole ^Pro
- 2008-05-12 @ 22:34:49
I cannot tell you why I believe there is something more after death because thats what it is a BELIEF. I've no certain proof just a conviction in my own mind, and yes it does give me an ease of mind.
- - joebangles
  - 2008-05-15 @ 20:28:28
  Hiya murph, Yes, I have witnessed the help that it gives to those that know that they are going to die, I am pleased that you do have that belief, maybe I am jealous that you do, I've tried but come up against too many walls, too many questions.
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- DominicGee
- 2008-05-13 @ 08:57:19
I am not saying what I believe, all I am saying is that NOT believing is no more logical/sensible than actually believing. The idea that 'i can't see it' or we can't know for certain does not disproove anything, proof is not a precondition of existence. It can easilt be argued that there IS a reason for believing too, there IS things that we observe that IMPLY a higher being in the same way that being able to talk to others IMPLIES that they too have a similar functioning mind.
The idea of the Universe and everything it is occuring out of chance is just as unbelievable as it being created by something, in my opinion.
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- tylluanpenry ^Pro
- 2008-05-13 @ 09:45:33
The problem with the question is putting the word believers in inverted commas. It immediately throws some doubt on that group of people (though I don't for one moment think this was intended).

I'm a pagan, I believe in reincarnation, so yes, I believe in an afterlife. That's my choice and it's not a problem to anyone else (unless I owe you money and promise to pay it back in the next life )

Likewise the views of others, including Professor Dawkins, don't pose any problems for me.
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- grumpus ^Pro
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- 2008-05-14 @ 08:52:11
"Life after Death" is a metaphor for how one is remembered by those who are left behind.
If you live on in the memories of others because you were a decent, kind human being who spread a good deal of happiness; that is "Heaven".
If you were despised for being selfish and disruptive, or downright criminal, and are soon forgotten; that is "Hell".
Heaven and Hell are not part of some after life, they are Here and Now!
Live your life accordingly. When you are gone, you are gone.
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- joebangles
- 2008-05-14 @ 11:21:34
That Grumpus is one of the best explanations that I have heard or read, thanks for that. It means to me that you can pick your end from your actions whilst you are alive.
- - grumpus ^Pro
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  - 2008-05-14 @ 14:59:44
  Thanks Trevor, I often wonder how many people approaching death suffer the agony of knowing that "they have done things which they ought not to have done, and have left undone those things that they ought to have done". Tough! They left it too late.
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- Ryan407
- 2008-05-15 @ 23:25:46
I believe there is something after the grave mostly because of the way in which I was raised and I think that as a result of this, it makes my own death and sometimes the death of others easier to handle. I have no idea what this other world consists of or whether there is a heaven or hell, I just prefer the thought of my soul or spirit being free, as opposed to being trapped inside some box buried under the ground.
- - trevor downer (Visitor)
  - http://joebangles.blog.co.uk
  - 2008-05-16 @ 09:47:29
  Hi Ryan, yes, from personal experience I can say that I know that that faith in a life after death made the passing easier and for those that have that faith, that don't need proof that is fine, but, what about the rest of us.
  
  I don't have that faith, maybe, as I have said before, I am jealous of those that do, but I am not afraid of dying, I believe that death is the natural end and there is nothing and no feelings after death.
  - - deleted user (Visitor)
    - 2008-05-17 @ 22:49:00
    You may be surprised !
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- skelly
- 2008-05-20 @ 22:19:01
Einstein capped it;
Energy can neither be created nor destroyed.
We are energy, when we die that which we know as the vital spirit is released and is used elsewhere, so from my humble perspective you can live on after death, in a different form perhaps (and I am not talking reincarnation as perceived in the Buddhist sense).
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- joebangles
- 2008-05-20 @ 23:04:46
Thanks skelly, that is yet another interpretation and as logical as any other of the comments.
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